why do we have 5 overseas drivers in a UK Hall of Fame, and are we able to nominate,and I assume that it is not restricted to drivers only?
That's a very good point. Maybe there should be a Hall of fame for Uk drivers only with another to cover the sport world wide. However, that may lead to lists for all countries?
Any views on how this should be compiled and if it should be graded (a) worldwide, (b) for various MAIN countries (and who are they)? I would appreciate comments on getting this properly set up before it gets out of hand.
Let's forget further nominations for the moment and decide on a proper format. Thanks.
I think a world 'Hall of fame' is out of the question. The sport is very nationalistic - there's little contact between countries apart from the occasional American in New Zealand or Australia, or the Aussie or NZ driver going to USA.
I don't know about American hall of fame lists, but think we should do something for the UK, Australia and New Zealand. Also South Africa and Argentina which seemingly can trace origins back to the 1930s.
The problem as I see it is how many members of this group know about racing anywhere apart from the UK? So far as the original list given here only three of them, Reynolds, Mackereth and Brewer ever raced in the UK. The other names are not drivers I'm not familiar with.
It would be good to know if hall of fame lists already exist for Australia, NZ, Argentina, South Africa. I expect they are around somewhere. Just find them and put them on here, then we can just debate the UK list. To try for a world list would be silly because there's too much difference in the car specs used in various places. It's rather like trying for a big car circuit list and including F1, F2 and F3 drivers. It wouldn't make any sense at all. Even in regard to the UK there must be concerns as the pioneers were dirt track racers while nowadays GP car racing is essentially a paved track classification.
perhaps we should start with some kind of criteria for induction to the H of F. major influence, or racing success's, or long term commitment to the cause, that kind of thing. And does one person decide, or should we vote.
Post by haflinger121 on May 10, 2009 21:52:10 GMT 1
Weewille said: "I think a world 'Hall of fame' is out of the question. The sport is very nationalistic..." The problem as I see it is how many members of this group know about racing anywhere apart from the UK? " and I agree with all of that. Rod also has a point, in that it needn't necessarily be only drivers who qualify.
I reckon we should stick to the UK scene for this. Of course, people who had an influence outside the UK would still qualify - Bill Reynolds for example.
Perhaps if anybody who is nominated is then seconded by someone else, and "thirded" by someone else again, that would be sufficient to get them an entry? Three separate opinions ought to count for something.
You see, I would think Spike Rhiando and Dave Hughes should qualify, and probably not too many people would give me an argument. But from a personal standpoint, I'd also rate Frank Boyles simply because of the number of races I saw him win 'when I were a lad' - but would anyone else think Boyles, or even Rod Tanswell who I also rated back then, deserve an entry? And can Boyles' exploits in a rear engined car be compared to the skills of the men who had to do battle with ELTO's and Skirrows? Complicated!
Then again, maybe the criteria should be that no-one who is still alive can be nominated? Morbid, yes perhaps, but I note that three of the four I've mentioned would also qualify on that score...But maybe people's achievements can only be seen to have stood the test of time if they are still remembered long after their day has passed.
There are Hall of Fames in the US, Australia and New Zealand. I am familiar with the Australian HOF which was created in 2007. We were honored that my dad was one of the inaugural inductees. The Australian HOF included drivers, promoters/ officials and car owners/ constructors.It was limited to Australians. A panel received nominations and voted on the first 10 inductees. I felt they did a great job particularly when they had the difficult job of comparing competitors from different eras. Here are the links to the Australian and US HOF. www.nasr.com.au/HallOfFame.html www.worthyofhonor.com
They certainly seem to have a 'Hall of Fame' concept well established in Australia and the USA. I think that it should be UK only, but not limited to just drivers but those with a major input to the sport. That would of course qualify people like Harry Skirrow and to a lesser extent Les Hulme who built so many "lookalike' Elto's based on the car once owned by the American star of the 1930s Ronnie Householder.
And near to modern times - what about people in the Grand Midget Car world like Anne Sayell and June Cochrane, behind the scenes ladies, but without whom there probably wouldn't be any form of midget car racing in the UK these days.
I will have more thoughts on the 'Hall of Fame' but I am puzzled that other members of this group seem reluctant to put their "hats into the middle on the subject for us to kick about".
H of F format possibilities. It could be along these lines. 1. Any member can nominate a potential inductee, giving reasons. 2. Nominees should have been active before 1980. 3. A small panel to ratify nominations. 4. Inductees should not be limited to only drivers, any reasons can be given, such as long term commitment to the sport in general, outstanding contribution to the sport, etc. 5. Could have a small website for some kind of display?
maybe i can help whit the champion list of buenos aires drivers also in arg in other states (provincias) like cordoba or bahia blaca in the souht race since from early 50s
The general consensus is for a site dedicated to the UK, for drivers and others who have dome enough to gain recognition for a 'Hall of Fame.'
However, that does not preclude this site also establishing a similar 'Hall of Fame' for drivers and others who deserve a place in an Argentina 'Hall of Fame.' As administrator of this site, I will do all I can to help in this direction.
A worldwide site is out of the question - Australia, USA and New Zealand already have long-running and viable 'Halls of Fame.'