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Post by haflinger121 on Oct 4, 2011 9:32:45 GMT 1
Yes Terry, I've just noticed it's taken from the "wrong way round" to be one of my set, sorry!
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Post by tsrwright on Oct 5, 2011 4:14:06 GMT 1
Good - we've got all sides covered  |
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Post by administrator on Oct 6, 2011 0:44:19 GMT 1
The Lea Bridge programme, Monday, April 25th, 1938 says:
Numbering of Drivers.
The National Association of Speedway Car Racing Circuits, governing body of speedway car racing, has allocated a permanent number to every driver as an aid to identification during racing.
Many supporters will no doubt have already noted these numbers, and they have certainly proved of considerable assistance during races.Other numbers will be added as new drivers are licenced.
51 Walter Mackereth
52 Les White
53 Spike Rhiando
54 Squib Burton
55 Eric Worswick
56 Ron Wills
57 Vic Patterson
58 Charlie Pashley
59 Stan Mills
60 Bruce Warburton
61 Jimmy Reeves
62 George Turvey
63 Basil de Mattos
64 Sid Emery
65 Johnny Young
66 Syd Plevin
67 Val Atkinson
68 Frank Marsh
69 Gene Crowley
70 Frank Bullock
71 Eric Davis
72 J Bladen
73 Stan Jorgensen
74 Joe Wildblood
75 T Pierson
76 Sid Martin
77 Frank Chiswell
78 L Reynolds
79 D J Fowdrey
80 T Sulman
81 W Murden
82 V Neald
Moderators note: The above list does not indicate which drivers used Skirrows, Eltos or their own car (ie W 'Billy' Murden).
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Post by haflinger121 on Oct 6, 2011 10:46:02 GMT 1
Sorry John, but did you mean to say it doesn't list what cars they drove?
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Post by administrator on Oct 6, 2011 12:00:37 GMT 1
Sorry John, but did you mean to say it doesn't list what cars they drove? Oh dear! Yes it should read does not!Sorry about that. I have made a correction in my original post. |
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Post by ezwalk43 on Oct 6, 2011 17:25:57 GMT 1
Hi, I've not been on the site for acouple of months and just noticed this post - can someone fill me in on where Ivan discovered the second Skirrow - was it in the uk? As I think I said somewhere before on here three or four years ago I sold a job lot of Dastle chassis to a scrapyard owner from somewhere over in the east who said that he had one and a friend of his had a second - is this one of those cars? Regards, Ez
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Post by tsrwright on Oct 9, 2011 4:08:11 GMT 1
Ivan told me it was on eBay - I think it was up North, maybe north east somewhere.
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Post by tsrwright on Oct 9, 2011 4:22:24 GMT 1
The Lea Bridge programme, Monday, April 25th, 1938 says:Numbering of Drivers. The National Association of Speedway Car Racing Circuits, governing body of speedway car racing, has allocated a permanent number to every driver as an aid to identification during racing. Moderators note: The above list does not indicate which drivers used Skirrows, Eltos or their own car (ie W 'Billy' Murden). Really useful list which seems to make clear numbers were allocated, at least initially. I also found De Mattos at 98 but that could be a mistake or another's car and the balance of my list is as follows 83 Hume 84 85 86 87 88 89 Poole 90 White, Lane 91 Furgerson/Emery/Hazell 92 Heath 93 94 95 96 97 98 De Mattos ? 99 Atkins Obviously some of the 49 total (if that's what it is) are not Skirrows (Sulman, Pashley, Murden for example) - could someone list the others and what their cars were? It does look like there might have been 50 licences in 1938/9, but 50 Skirrows definitely seems unlikely although who knows how many were made that were never completed and sold. |
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Post by tsrwright on Oct 14, 2011 12:55:24 GMT 1
Here's an update to the incomplete part of the list:
84
85
86 Goodley
87
88
89 Poole
90 White, Lane
91 Furgerson/Emery/Hazell
92 Heath
93
94
95
96
97
98
99 Atkins
Goodley has been added. McCarthy is #6 in a Belle Vue programme 20.7.38
and Grice has no number in Stoke programme 1.9.38 (thanks Derek).
Has anyone got any 1939 programmes with names to add?
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Post by haflinger121 on Oct 15, 2011 18:27:19 GMT 1
Sadly, no '39 progs at all Terry. But here's something which may help a bit. The Belle Vue prog of 25/9/37 lists the car types next to the entrants. Of course, some of them may have switched cars later but it's something to be going on. I assume an "American Jap" is an Elto converted to JAP power?
Vic Patterson Skirrow Special
Eric Worswick Amer.Jap
Walter Mackereth Skirrow Special
Bruce Warburton Amer.Jap
Charlie Pashley American Jap
Spike Rhiando Skirrow Special
T. Cooper Amer.Jap
Stan Mills Skirrow Special
Frank Marsh Amer.Jap
Syd Emery Skirrow Special
Les White Salmson
Ron Wills Skirrow Special
Squib Burton Skirrow Special
George Turvey Skirrow Special
Val Atkinson Skirrow Special
Jimmy Raynes Sulman Anzani
Acorn Dobson Elto
Fred Alexander Elto
Also, some '38 Coventry programmes confirm that the numbers John listed from the Lea Bridge programme were definitely in use. Some notes on these: 61 should be Jimmy Raynes, 78 is "Bronco" Bill Reynolds and the 'Hume' listed by Terry as #83 is a Tony Hume. A Crystal Palace prog (also '38) has #91 as an Eddie Hazell. He is described in the prog notes as "a local find".
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Post by tobyhalter on Oct 15, 2011 23:28:24 GMT 1
Interesting names - these were all former speedway riders: Eric Worswick, Charlie Pashley, Squib Burton (an England international eaerly 1930s), Stanley 'Acorn' Dobson (Rod Pashley might care to explain the Acorn nickname) and I think Fred Alexander.
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Post by stockcar54 on Oct 15, 2011 23:42:53 GMT 1
I think i can explain that one Toby. It was from his speedway riding helmet he got the name. He had a strangely shaped head so the standard helmet was uncomfortable so his team mates at Belle Vue stamped on it to get the right shape !
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Post by rodpashley on Oct 16, 2011 0:18:25 GMT 1
Stanley Dobson was nicknamed "Acorn" due to the shape of his head, aparently......he spent a lot of his time in Australia in a small van, driving from town to town, doing whatever casual work he could find, then moving on to the next town, this is acording to my Mum, whom he always came to see when he returned to this country
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Post by rodpashley on Oct 16, 2011 0:35:46 GMT 1
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Post by kiwikid34 on Oct 16, 2011 21:58:30 GMT 1
What a delightful trip down memory lane and I hope an object lesson to those who build GP Midgets as to how basically a REAL midget car should be designed. More than 70 years on and there is so much to be learned from the basics of Harry Skirrow's wonder-midget. |
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